The point I was trying to make, McGamer, was that Neverwinter was a prime example where a vast array of sliders did NOT work. Even though they looked like you had a lot of options, you really didn't and the models sucked majorly. Yes, I have seen far better character customizations out there. For example: DCUO (at least from a costume standpoint) had great options. SWTOR sucked. They were all just variations on a theme. Guys with horns, guys with tatts, guys with funny hairdos. Warhammer Online : Not bad, depending on what race you selected. Greenskins were awesome, but the Order side lacked variety. (Except Slayers) LOTRO: Some goods (like dwarfs, but could have used more beard styles) and some really bads (elves.) DDO: More of the same with the above mentioned MMOs. Star Trek Online: Pretty much the top I would say in terms of customization. Man, you could create some pretty funky looking aliens. Slides ranged from absurdly deformed to amazing results. All MMOs should look to STO for customization options. WoW: Bare bones. Oddly enough it has worked enough for people for years. Even after forum thread after forum thread demanding they update the character models. (I remember even back in TBC people were screaming for it) So... yeah. I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to character customizations in MMOs today.