You misread my post. I said 25 man, Stone Guard, HEROIC. Yeah, it was easy, and I understand the concept of entry tier raiding. At the same time, we killed HEROIC, 25 man, the FIRST NIGHT it was available, in blues. Shouldn't heroic version require that you have some normal gear first? We had exactly 1 week of normal gear before we attempted, and down, heroic Stone Guard. It took us exactly 6 hours to clear Normal MSV the week it was released, and exactly 3 hours to kill Heroic Stone Guard the next.... You can't even ACCESS heroic modes until the last boss is down. The system was flawed.