What does server first have to do with it? You can easily get server first, and still be way way down the list in world. There is a difference between world first guilds and hardcore guilds. They aren't even remotely the same thing. A hardcore guild might aim for server first, but on a server like Kel'thuzad with 30k players it's not going to be easy. They could still beat out tons of other servers though. Does that mean they aren't hardcore? No! Hardcore = intensely loyal Hardcore Raider = intensely loyal Raider The term hardcore only means the amount of effort you put forth to raiding, not necessarily your progress. That is the only thing remains constant between hardcore guilds, time put forth raiding. The problem with this definition comes with progress. If you raid 7 nights a week, but can't finish the current raid tier, then are you a hardcore raider? I would say yes. You might say no, but whatever, its a made up internet definition. I just don't feed your definition is adequate. I don't see it as feasible because you are asking them to make 5 completely different raids each tier. That is a lot of work, and is going to be very expensive. Compete with what? Raid difficulties? We don't like raid difficulties, or at least I and many others don't. No matter how you slice it, its still only 15 bosses. I didn't say it was bad. I just assumed it you were going to go into further details about your idea. An idea I was certain I didn't like from the start.