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No Racials, please.

Discussion in 'WildStar Races' started by CaRaDaGaiTa, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. CaRaDaGaiTa

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    I hope there's no racials in this game, so everyone can choose the race you most like, instead of the "i will play undead because of will of forsaken" or "i lose so much if i don't roll human, extra trinket ftw!"

    I already dislike the race/class limitation, but i'm ok with this, but racial spells will make the game less fun.
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    What about the hitboxes? Wouldn't that make it unfair as well? For instance a chua would have a considerably smaller hitbox than say a Granok, my suggestion? Use racials to balance the hitbox sizes, or something of that sort.
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    In the first 5 min or so of this video, Jeremy Gaffney talks about racials and the very thing that bothers you. My concern is about Paths, because as far as I'm aware, paths get unique abilities as you level them up. How is that any different from racials? If one Path, for example, gets a stun ability and the other gets something like a damage boost, won't people be forced to take the path that boosts your DPS or the path that makes you better at PvP? Doesn't really fit the whole "play how you want to play" philosophy and the things JG is saying in the video.
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    I believe they already stated if something like that occurs, where one path is valued above another due to the unlocks having a meaningful impact in an area of the game, they will change it.
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    I like racials personally if they're done a certain way but the closest I've seen to a racial system I like is EQ2's. In fact, I believe I've heard from somewhere that WS's system will be somewhat similar to EQ2's.
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    I absolutely hate racials. I always wanted to be that female gnome warrior with pink pigtails hair, but all I got was this sh1tty human warrior cause Every Man for Him Self racial. :p
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    That racial in particular was a terrible idea. Big time Blizz fail there.
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    I'm sure they will find a way to balance it. But as far as I know racials will have to do with ease of ability gain(but there certainly could be more). An aurin or draken will have an easier time of gaining speed boosts compared to a mechari or granok. As for paths I think I remember it being mentioned that they will allow certain path abilities for PvP and other for PvE to help keeps things evened out.
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    Basically this. I really like this racial system.
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    I am slightly afraid that there will still be the best option point to point for PvE and PvP after people have theorycrafted and done their spreadsheets. If a racial gives even 1% advantage over other, it will be mandatory in competitive raiding.
  11. CaRaDaGaiTa

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    This is okay. But things like "every man for himself" or "will of the forsaken" are broken!
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    When I saw the title I immediately thought of...


    I AM NOT A RACIALIST!

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    The op here is an interesting thought however. It has always (broken or not) had a huge impact on how people play the game. I never really worried that much about it, and cared far more about having pink pigtails than an extra trinket, but I get it.

    Just as with player housing, it would be nice to see racial abilities connected to 'luxury items', things to make gameplay prettier, or lazier. For example, remote access to guild or personal storage spaces, sparkles when you jump, a tuck and roll when you land, etc. Things that are a nice perk, but not game changers. While it will likely never affect my gameplay, the theorycrafting will uncover and highlight these advantages for sure, which sucks for people who will be approaching WS with hardcore raiding/pvp in mind.
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    I like racials. I've never picked a race based on racials (instead prefer to pick the races I liked), but I see how that could be an issue. For instance, in EQ2 I had an iksar warden when the better choice racially would have been something along side the Fae. Anyway I digress. I fully support races. Maybe make them something fluffy rather than game effecting?
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    Whaaaaaaat... I'm not allowed to post a picture of Monty Python's "Mr. Hilter" sketch? Blargh.

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    I think racial need to be included for a couple of reasons.

    -Lore and realism. You would expect a huge, rocky humanoid to be physically different from a furry midget, right? Racials are the perfect way of visualizing and reflecting this.
    -More flavor to the game. Other than Every Man for Himself and Will of the Forsaken, the rest of the racials in WoW give you minor, non-game breaking benefits. The majority of the people pick a race based on visuals, animation and how the gears looks on them.
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    I think every race could get a "comfort" racial and a minor "gameplay" one without ruining balance.

    The gameplay one could be an ability that you can use once every 4 minutes or something, hence not something you can spam. Big, strong races can maybe get an absorb ability or stun, and smaller races get abilities related to crowd control breakers or movement. Just to add a little bit of flavour.

    The comfort racials could be something like the Goblins in World of Warcraft, where they got a NPC that could run errands for them once every hour (I think it was?).
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    That's the fun of it though. From the surface it appears like racial imbalance would hinder the game, but it actually makes it more fun. When you see an undead you know they have this unique ability that will be an extra challenge and you have to change your strategy accordingly.

    Back when I actually PvPed in WoW I used to be able to beat any race of rogues except for Dwarves because of their stoneskin. I was annoyed and slightly angry at that racial, but it was still a good thing. It mixed up the combat a lot. As a result some of my most memorable battles were 1v1s against dwarf rogues in towers in AV.

    So I guess my point is that flavour and variety is worth a bit of imbalance. We're not competing at an e-sport tournament here, we're just playing some PvP for the lols. A little imbalance is fine if it creates more awesome moments and fun gameplay.
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    Well that ''imbalance'' will often lead to people playing a specific race they otherwise don't want to play just for it's capability, when i went alliance for a short while do you think i wanted to play human cos they looked cool? hell no, i was forced to play them for their capability in pvp and if i didn't i was at a handicap.

    you also say ''We're not competing at an e-sport tournament here, we're just playing some PvP for the lols'', but Wildstar may have ambitions of being an E-sport. And many people want an E-sport level of competition in their higher end PvP, it is why there are the rating systems in elder game pvp. Because people are competitive, and why should someone be forced to play something just to be competitive?

    But on the subject of the whole thing in Kaeyidream's part 3 video Jeremy Gaffney addresses the idea of racials and says there won't be any ''specific'' racials, they will be making it so certain races have an easier time earning certain things, for example an Aurin will have an easier time getting an agile type ability unlocked than a Granok, and a Granok will have an easier time getting a brute ability than an Aurin. These abilities won't be unique to the race, just harder to get on some than others, so if you really want that ability you just need to put in a little footwork to get it.
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    I feel race shouldn't have to be just about visuals.

    Classes aren't just about visuals either and noone is complaining about that :p
    "Oh no, people are going to pick the class that they find most viable and not the one they really want!"

    I agree with Baeldan in that I liked that bit of extra variety in WoW.

    Stuff just needs to be balanced, but so do classes and everything else.
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