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So, with this C.R.E.D.D system?

Discussion in 'WildStar General' started by Gunghoe, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Ohoni

    Ohoni Cupcake-About-Town

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    Ah, that bit must not have played completely last night. That one didn't look pleasant. You sound kinda hostile about it though.
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    Not hostile, You seemed insistent on proving me wrong, I thought I would prove the opposite :up:
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  3. Ohoni

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    Ok, I guess it just sounded hostile.

    Anyways, here's an interesting discussion about Wildstar's new pricing model. They call it "Elder Scrolls Online" in the piece, but the arguments are basically the same aside from Wildstar lacking ESO's cache. The general consensus amount gaming journalists all over is that ESO shot itself in the balls by going P2P, and what's a Wildstar?
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    People can say what they like, but the best MMO to date (and still most successful) is WoW.

    This point can not be argued, and this game is still successful on a sub model, people arguing they want WS for free are simply trying to go with the flow of people who have been given free MMO's recently (none of which have really been successful to any point even close to WoW)

    People basically want free entertainment, and although people want the market to go that way, the companies creating this entertainment are NOT in it for the lols, first and foremost they are a business and businesses revolve around making money.

    There is nothing wrong with a sub model, especially when it brings you as much entertainment as an MMO can bring. You buy a game like (lets pull a name out of nowhere here) Halo, when it is released it costs how much to buy? here it is like $90 to $110, the game brings hours of playtime, but is limited at hours. now lets look at MMO's a good MMO can bring you literally days of playtime, WoW for example, i have something like 100 days playtime built up on some characters and more on at least one other.

    So what's better value?
    A single player game with very limited playability for ~$100
    Or an MMO you pay $60 for up front, and then $15 a month with insane amounts of re-playability?

    If an MMO can release and be extremely quality (We are hoping wows past quality or better here) there is no reason it isn't worth $15 a month, except to people who flat out want to be selfish.
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    Sounds like you watched a different video then me. They all seamed to be on the fence about it, saying that if it was a really good game getting good reviews they could pull it off. They also stated that the main reason other sub games fail is because of lack of end game which i agree with. With carbines focus on end game, i don't see a problem. I also heard them talk about how the game philosophy changes when you make a game F2P. Instead of just focusing on solid content you have to focus on how to get people to spend money. It almost looks like you posted this video to disprove your points.
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  6. Ohoni

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    Yes, and for arguments about what the most successful MMO is, or how successful WoW is, that's a good point to make. For almost any other discussion it's pretty much irrelevant.

    Yes, and no game will be as successful as WoW was, not even WoW anymore. That peak has been hit and it's back down to the levels of other MMOs. WoW was the right game at the right time, and that time has long since passed. No game, including WoW, will ever be WoW again. It's possible that some other game will see huge numbers, but not by just being "some other game." ESO definitely won't be it, Wildstar definitely won't be it. The only way I could see a game hitting Wow peak numbers again would be

    1. It would need to launch during a massive economic boom time, way better than the current economy with <4% unemployment and a higher average salary.
    2. It would need to represent a significant technological overhaul, like SAO or The World. Just being WoW with slightly different gameplay options and prettier graphics isn't going to cut it for a second.

    You can continue to make good MMOs, and make a good profit on them, and have them be enjoyed by millions of people, but being "the second WoW" is just a nonsense goal for the foreseeable future, even for Blizzard.

    Yeah, just keep pressing those CDs, I mean, cassettes, I mean, 8-tracks. I get the "infinite playtime" argument, and it's all well and good, but some people play Halo all day too, play time is in the eye of the beholder. The point is, way more people will play a game without a monthly fee than will play one with a monthly fee, and it's literally impossible to argue them over to your side on that.

    Also, outside of Australia all games cost $60, less if they're on sale, of course, so there's not really such a thing as paying $100 for a single player game, unless it comes with some maps and a statue or something.

    Again, you can say that, and you can believe it to be true, and maybe for you it is, but nobody who doesn't already believe as you do cares, and there are a lot of those people, and they will buy an MMO that doesn't charge a monthly fee, but will not buy an MMO with a monthly fee. You can malign these people however you wish, but they are a massive source of profit that this game is choosing to do completely without, butting the entirety of the burden on the rest of you.
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  7. Ohoni

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    Oh, it's sad how rose-colored those lenses are. One or two of them did seem on the fence, but only under the caveat that 1. It was an Elder Scrolls game that came with a massive built-in audience (which Wildstar lacks), and 2. that it depended on them doing everything else right, a goal that they found rather unrealistic. They basically were saying, "if the game is perfect, it might do ok, but if it's even slightly imperfect then it'll implode."None of them really viewed it as the wise move to make, just one that might not cripple the game.
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    So people that won't pay a sub, are a ''massive'' source of profit? if that is the case this means you are talking of those who blurt out on cash shops and the likes.

    And if someone is going to do that, why don't they just pay the sub? the company makes the profit they want and it costs the individual consumer less. The only people it keeps out of the game are those who won't pay anything towards the game at all, and those are people who are being selfish freeloaders if they expect such a high quality game for nothing.

    Honestly though? the game is better off without the people who won't pay a dime, sub model means the company makes money off each person playing, it also means they have the profit to keep the game turning without thinking up different ways they can shove paid transactions in your face.
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    Interesting, any other opinions you want to change. And for for the record, on the massively poll way more people were interested in wildstar then elder scrolls.

    Its like you missed the part where they said the main reason subs drop is lack of things to do at endgame which again wont be a problem for carbine.
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  10. Beesti

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    If i was to go the credd route would i have to spend most of my time playing in constant worry to make sure i grind enough gold or whatever. Or would i need to spend all of my pocket money just to pay for credd, and wouldnt that just be a wannabe subscription?
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    If you have RL$ to pay for the game, you have no reason to buy credd for your own subscription. You should pay the monthly subscrition (15$) in that case.

    CREDD is just a way for a person who is poor in real life but rich in the game to continue playing, and for a person who is rich in real life but has too little time to play and farm gold to buy something nice for him self in the game.

    I have some 500.000-600.000g in WoW, I don't do anything with as I use one transmogrification set I love, one ground mount and one flying mount that in my opinion perfectly suits my character etc. I have way too much gold I do not do anything with but if WoW had credd I could pay my subscription with the gold, and someone who would otherwice buy his gold from Chinese gold farmer / hacker, would get it from me.
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    But soonas the gameis released no one will be rich enough to start paying gold for credd right? Im not willing to pay sub but im not sure if credd is worth it.
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    You get one month free game time with the box which should be enough time to figure out whether you like the game or not and are you willing and able to collect enough gold for CREDD.
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    (Sorry for my huge spelling mistakes i was on a tablet)
    Anyways, so what happens if i have enough Credd for another month but my month as already gone by? How would i pay my Ingame credd? Perhaps a page on the website would be good.
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    You will be able to ask the customer support to give you a 24 hour pass (or shorter) to be able to purchase and activate a CREDD.
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    You can swap WOW gold for gamecards on illegal sites now, so this credd model is nothing new and is not confined to Eve. I think the going rate for a 60 day game card is 30k - 130k on the sites I have just checked. That is not a lot of gold to anyone who can play the AH in any meaningful way. I myself made over a million gold in 3 months during cata, I think inflation has upped that these days but I dont play anymore so not certain.
    I could easily fund 60 days with about 10 days playtime, though I have no life so that helps. Seriously I would estimate about 8 hours a day for 10 days but you would need a lot of crafting skills, I had all of them maxed in WOW. You could do it just from mining but I think it would take longer.
    Whats the point im making, well I dont believe for one minute Carbine will sell gamecards, if they do they will be shooting themself in the foot, the other foot as they already killed one with this sub model anyway.
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    http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/the-game/business-model/

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    Listen to

    the Umbra guild leader IS Jp. a sub player that has a RL kids and less time then the rest of his guild. He has cash, less time but he want to play with his friends.

    He admits that he bought gold from vendor and that he will do it again.

    All MMO have them, its an easy way for gold farmers to make money. (I assume its easy for them.)

    with the CREDD. players like JP can buy gold and not be scare to loose their sub should they be caught.

    IMHO, its a good system for everyone. There are some player that apprehend what it will do to the market but I trust the market to go to equilibrium fairly soon after launch. Yes there will still be gold farmers, but I am hoping that Carbine will be there to stop them. Hell, if they don't, it will take bread out of their mouth.

    I will sub. will I buy CREDD for gold, don't know. don't care for now, I will wait and see how things develop then ill decide to buy CREDD for time. I don't think I'll buy CREDD for gold. I like to do things on my own and not use the easy way out.

    On the hole, I think that CREDD will be good.

    If your on this forum you surely know that Carbine is catering to the 1%. Do you really think that they care if the game is F2P? NOPE. They want a good game and like me don't mind a sub IF the game is good.

    You also said that CREDD is P2W, in my longwinded way, I am trying to show you that all games are P2W because of the goldvendors and that Wildstar will use the system to benefit them and some players.
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    LOL Carbine is catering for the 1%, do you really believe that their target market is only 1%, perhaps the most nieve comment I have ever seen on a forum.
    crudd is P2W the same as gold farmers cater to it, difference Carbine will try and make money from it as part of their cash grab before it goes F2P, once it does cruss system is dead.
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    OK, we get it. You do not like P2P business model neither do you like CREDD system. Really man we get what you are saying.

    You are sounding like a broken record. From your 22 messages 17 included something against P2P and CREDD.

    WE GET THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE P2P.
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    My last comment about CREDD.

    Gold Sellers are selling something that doesn't belong to them, so they are thieves! and those who buy from them are supporting theft.
    Carbine owns all of the content of the game and players only pay for the right to access it.
    There is no way to eliminate Gold Sellers just as there is no way to stop the P2W scenario, since you could always directly pay a player 20$ for the BoE Epic you want.
    You cant fault a company for trying to get a share of the profits being made by thieves who are pawning content that doesn't belong to them!
    The CREDD system is an attempt to adapt to a market that has been created by shady porn-ad internet sites who are trying to make a "cash grab" before they are shut down.
    There is a market for ppl who want to buy gold, gold is content in the game, the content is fully owned by Carbine/NCSoft so they have every right to try and tap into that market.
    They are doing it in a way that will benefit the players who don't have the money to spend on gold(CREDD) but have the time to earn gold in game.
    If the game manages to last a few years there will be that enormous gap between new players and old ones, like in WoW, CREDD gives the option for those new players to gain an advantage in catching up and those old players get to benefit by using their vast amounts of accumulated in-game wealth to pay for their sub-fee's. The more new players that join and buy CREDD the longer the old players will keep playing which is good for the gaming community.
    I applaud Carbine for the CREDD system.
    :up:
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