well I am at least good for a LOL and No 1 at something. Its your opinion. I don't see it that way. I am not naïve enough to think that they ONLY want the 1%. I am saying they are catering to the 1% that will bring the next 20% in the game. I am reading and listening to everything they say. Does that mean I know everything? nope, but I do listen. They were asked (can't remember where) : What will be your answer to the whiner that wants the epic sword that only drop in 40 men raid. Short answer: do the raid. Whiner :"Ya but I don't have time for it or don't care to do raids but I still want it!!! /cry. " Carbine: "you don't raid, you don't get the sword. We have other stuff for ya. Pvp, wargames, Housing, Adventure, ... you name it. (Obviously not Warplot) Your not happy. Go to those other games ." I have heard Gaffney say so several times. He also said that he's an elitist and that the game is designed to turn average Joe Shmo into a raider. Telegraph and all. Telegraph is a raid/dungeon mechanic. it will start at lvl 1. 5 types of telegraph colors. You and I Bonehead don't see P2W in the same light. I see P2W as a game that sell you that epic sword for cold hard cash. It a f2P but if you don't pay, you don't get the sword and you loose. I'll talk about Vanilla wow and the gold buyer. heck I'll go deeper then that. There were players that PAID to LEVEL. You could always spot them fast because, you had that Lvl 60 with the best gear available on AH that didn't know his class. I asked a fully blue/purple geared lvl 60 hunter to drop a freeze trap. Freeze trap? he answered... nuff said. In the raid I was in, those got the boot real fast with a L2P notice or they didn't get in at all. Those that bought the epic sword that made their gear level par to do the raid AND knew their class stayed in the raid and got better gear for it. You have to remember that the boe epic sword were scarce since they were world drop or rare LBRS and UBRS dungeon drops AND very expensive AND not as good as any raid drop. Since most of the Dev from wildstar came from vanilla wow, I am expecting gear progression to be close to Vanilla. That is why for me, selling CREDD is not P2W. the EPIC sword will be bop drop, they may throw in a few boe rare drop in raids also. The big ?: Craftatble but that is an other subject all to itself. I have no problem with the CREDD system. It will IMHO make the game better since Carbine will make the profits and that will in turns help them pay for the dev that will put more content IN the game(hopefully but as you said I am naïve). Gold farmers don't contribute to the game. I respect your position and hope you can see mine. I also agree that should wildstar go f2p, CREDD are out the door and micro-transaction for housing in. Question is: will it? It took Swtor 1 year to go f2p and the end game was <REDACTED> and they didn't and still don't fix bug and .... Should Carbine dish out a good game, might take them longer(remember I am naïve). I get the feeling your mad that its not going to be F2P at launch. I would be suspicious of a game that would be F2P at launch or offer a lifetime sub. Champion online and Star Trek did and both were bad. fyi, I was not so naïve to buy that.