Thank you, and welcome to you as well ;] You do make valid points. I've been in fights when the boss was at 10%, and wiped because someone didn't catch the adds. Man, was that frustratiing...lol If you think about it, all 5-man dungeons leading up to endgame 'should' provide the training needed to perform at raiding level. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have one. I would prefer one actually, due to the reasons I stated previously. I just feel that it may be better implemented as a training dummy instead of a one time test. If your looking for a "certificate of competency" of some sort, I think a 'Zelda Triforce' method would work better instead of a single boss. At least you would know that they've done all of the previous dungeons, plus the old dungeons will not become obsolete.