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Art To Draw - A Thread about such things

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  1. Dysp

    Dysp Cupcake-About-Town

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    Do you want to know how to draw?
    (skip to the orange if you want to avoid nonsense)

    ...or paint? or just to Art in general? (What’s that? Art isn’t a verb? Well, all the cool kids use it as a verb.. and not to be confused with the gaseous release through the rear-side cavity, such as in the phrase:

    Stop *arting around!”

    Do you want to be able to draw like this guy or this guy?

    ...or this guy? this guy? this gal? …perhaps like him? her? him? him? her? her? him? ..like this person? like that person? this? that? that? this? this? this? that? this? that? this? that? that? that? ..or maybe even like this person? (or some way not even represented here?!)

    Then you’re in luck! Because we have established you have eyes and/or some means of navigating the intertubes…two gigantic assets! (Uhmm. No, and no.) With assistance from the Allotment of Peaceful Arrangements Negotiating Digital Art Sophistication Nearly Enlightening Extragalactic and Zygomorphic Exile and Dominion we can help you get started solving that problem!

    zzzzZZZ.. uh.. oh. I fell asleep there. Sorry. Now what was the point of this?

    To learn thee Arts!

    Theatrical interpretation dance?

    Sadly no. There is no way any person can learn how to dance. That is impossible! Now back to other type of art..

    Where you splash cigarettes and ski masks across a canvas?

    Or. Perhaps something a bit more conservative? Like use lines and different colors perhaps to start with.

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    Getting Started
    First off. You find yourself wanting to draw, but you just don’t know where to start. Pencil and Paper is a great place to start! Chiefly, you can learn the functions of Line and Value, the foundation of nearly all visual 2D art.

    If you’re familiar with the ole’ lead and papyrus and are perhaps a bit tired of constantly buying more compressed wood cartridges and other worldly supplies, may I bend your ear and suggest that you enter the magical world of WildSta..? ..Wait.. that’s not out yet.. I mean Digital Art!

    Have we helped you at all yet? Have we just been rambling on? Well we’re getting there.. almost.. just a second.. hang in there.. we’re… THERE!

    Before we jump right into hardware, how about we start with starting...


    Start: Starting
    Hardware
    What do you use?
    A tablet, a drawing like device.

    But which kind do I get?
    There are several general types of input devices that mimic traditional drawing tools.

    Graphic Tablet, Graphic Tablet Screen (Cintiq), Touchscreen (Computer or Laptop), Touchscreen Tablet (such as an iPad), Touchscreen Smartphone

    Mainly we're going to focus on graphic tablets for this hardware section. The company Wacom offers a Cintiq model, which has a screen directly underneath the drawing area. It is significantly more expensive, but drawing is more like traditional pen and paper drawing as you can focus on where you are drawing and what is being drawn. (Note: if you have good input on the other devices, I can add to this section later)

    Compatibility
    What is your Operating system? Are you using Windows? a Mac? or Linux? Not all tablets work on all operating systems. Be sure to check the compatibility first with the labeled system requirements. Most graphic tablets will use a USB plugin. There are different versions of USBs that provide different levels of power.

    Batteries.
    Does the tablet you’re interested in have a low price, but require batteries for the pen? Well, if you plan on using your tablet.. like a lot, you may want to factor in the cost of batteries. Many tablets do not use batteries for their pens. Also, having a battery in the pen affects the weight of your pen, adding resistance while you draw. Added weight can also increase strain during prolonged use. Some people prefer to have a heavier weighted tools and so this may then be a desired feature.

    Tethers.
    Some tablets tether the pens. A tether can get in the way of drawing as it drags behind the pen. If tethered, parts of the pen may not be easily replaceable.

    Active Area.
    This is the space you will be able to draw on. Tablets come in different sizes, with different size ratios (aspect ratio), that is width by height. Your Active Area mimics the space on your computer’s screen (monitor), and therefore it is generally desirable for the tablet’s Active Area to resemble your monitor’s aspect ratio. For example, it is becoming more common for monitors to be wide screened, usu. 16:9, making them more rectangular than the standard square, 4:3, monitors. Laptops are almost exclusively widescreen, but can come in varying aspect ratios. To pair with a widescreen monitor you may want a wide area tablet. You usually will be able to change what portion of your screen your tablet’s Active Area represents and controls through software, if you do not have a matching ratio or want to constrain the controlled working area.

    Pressure Levels.
    How hard are you pressing on that thing? Essentially the more levels there are, the more finite the difference in control you have. Pressure is generally used to control brush sizes and/or brush opacity, mimicking the hard and soft strokes of a paint brush or graphite. Beyond a point, the number of pressure levels become redundant as you will likely not notice the difference. The noticeable levels vary by persons. Depending on the drawing program, there are more uses utilizing pressure and tools that can be greatly modified.

    Replaceability
    If you love your tablet, you’re likely going to spill coffee on it! (Please don’t.) .. more likely is that you’re going use it, a lot. Nibs are the plastic part that contacts your tablet, like a pencil lead. They do not wear like lead, but they do develop grooves from extended use and will generally need to be replaced.The surface of your tablet’s Active Area will also see wear-and-tear in the form of rough marks and possible scratches. If you are planning to keep the same tablet for a long time, be sure to check the availability and pricing of replacement parts.

    Drivers
    Jason Statham could not be reached for comment. Additionally, The Stig would not take off his/her helmet to answer his/her phone/walkie-talkie. …Software Drivers can become an issue if your Operating System is no longer supported or the device you are using is no longer supported. With system patches over time, you will want to be sure the software driver for your tablet will remain supported. (*add clarity later)

    Buttons
    Tablets generally come with bindable buttons that either sit alongside the edge, left right, top bottom, of the tablet. You can use these to bind hotkeys to speed up your work process. The more buttons you have, the less you have to reference the keyboard for hotkeys. Some tablets also come with touch-strips that also can be bound to hotkeys, especially zoom and scaling functions.

    Pen
    The pen usually comes with the tablet. It will always have a drawing side, and some models come with an eraser-like edge which on the flip-side is by default bound to program’s eraser tool. Pens can also have bindable buttons on them to have quick access to hotkeys.

    Learning Curve
    Almost all graphic tablets with come with an initial learning curve. As a whole, you should be able to switch between graphic tablets, but the first time using one may take some time becoming familiar with. The touch is slightly different than paper, as it can be considered slippery, and more significantly, you will no longer be focusing your eye(s) on the same area where your hand is drawing at. Instead, your drawing hand will, generally, be below your eyeline as you focus on the screen. This can create a bit of a disconnect and really only takes practice to become used to.

    Links
    http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=108&cp_id=10841(c/o ruff_ethereal)
    http://www.wacom.com/
    http://www.newegg.com/Graphics-Tablets/SubCategory/ID-296 (US)
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=graphic%20tablets
    http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/pc-accessories/graphics-tablets-pens-732-c.html

    There is more input concerning tablets in kaimarshall’s art thread, here: http://wildstar-central.com/index.php?threads/my-very-first-mordesh-characters.6286/

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    Software (Programs)
    TBA (to be added)
    Additional Software -- Addons


    The Basics
    TBA (there’ll be art!) -depending on what others choose to contribute

    Possible subjects:
    Line Art
    Value
    Color
    Styles
    Gestures
    Linking to artists
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    I wanted to start a thread in which all the artists could discuss and share drawing and painting techniques, hints, how-tos, etc. What started as a simple post did turn into a slightly larger topic. In this main post I do plan on finishing out the Software section, to hopefully help newcomers have a general direction to go when joining the digital art community. We have a ton of great artists that come through this forum subsection. I just want to use this thread as a way to help existing and new WildStar fan artists.


    If you want to add some insight in the general direction of drawing and painting techniques, please feel free to add away. If you think something in my main post should be changed or want to add something to it, please feel free to mention it.

    ..So first off, we'll see if this gets rolling or not.





    ***DISCLAIMER*** If you disagree with anything stated here and/or wish something you have been quoted saying be remove then either please add your comment to this thread, or, if you wish, send the author a personal message including seven (that is: 7, siete, seitsemän, sieben, sjö, 일곱, семь) dark fudge cupcakes. The personal message will not be read if there are no cupcakes included. You may phone a friend once, but I doubt that will be helpful when pertaining to this posting. You could perhaps ask your friend about his/her day. They may have had a hard day, and too, could use seven dark fudge cupcakes. Please note, it is likely not in the best interest of your friend to allow him/her to consume all seven dark fudge cupcakes at once. Seven simultaneous cupcakes can present a choking hazard and the consumption of should be left to professional cupcake guzzlers.

    Lastly, I apologize for the annoying intro and nonsense scattered throughout. This thread was started after many artists were giving good, albeit slightly off-topic input in this thread: http://wildstar-central.com/index.php?threads/my-very-first-mordesh-characters.6286/

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    A List of Great Artists
    The Artists linked in the above section:
    http://tabletmonkey.blogspot.com/
    http://gh-graphics.tumblr.com/
    http://plusnine.deviantart.com/
    http://alexnegrea.deviantart.com/
    http://sakimichan.deviantart.com/
    http://clonerh.deviantart.com/
    http://loish.deviantart.com/
    http://bluefley.deviantart.com/
    http://dctb.deviantart.com/
    http://claudia-sg.deviantart.com/
    http://ekukanova.deviantart.com/
    http://papaninja.deviantart.com/
    http://danluvisiart.deviantart.com/
    http://artgerm.deviantart.com/
    http://knockwurst.deviantart.com/
    http://hamsterfly.deviantart.com/
    http://firatsolhan.deviantart.com/
    http://scebiqu.deviantart.com/
    http://pant.deviantart.com/
    http://gorrem.deviantart.com/
    http://adamhughes.deviantart.com/
    http://nebezial.deviantart.com/
    http://alexgarner.deviantart.com/
    http://johntylerchristopher.deviantart.com/
    http://roboto-kun.deviantart.com/
    http://ilkekutlay.deviantart.com/
    http://davidrapozaart.deviantart.com/
    http://euclase.deviantart.com/
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  2. Dysp

    Dysp Cupcake-About-Town

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    Art Blogs + Sites
    http://muddycolors.blogspot.fr/ (Blog where a group of highly skilled international artist share tips & discussion on art)

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/ (site for feedback, weekly drawing groups, job postings, and more)

    http://idrawgirls.com/tutorials/ (how-to drawings with explanations --there's more than just female figure drawings)

    http://www.scott-eaton.com/category/bodies-in-motion (photography of bodies in motion, clothed)

    Videos


    The Carbon Line process Video (by Anthony Jones, I believe)
    http://thecarbonline.tumblr.com/post/65442042740


    Stan Prokopenko's Videos on Figure Drawing
    (sort of NSFW because of nearly full nudity, parts are censored with blocks)
    How to draw a balanced pose

    Mannequinization Drawing 1

    Mannequinization Drawing 2

    Mannequinization Drawing 3

    Tutorials
    General Tutorials
    Steve Delamare's Tutorials - Learning the basics, observing, using references, and more (further links are in his image description)
    http://stevedelamare.deviantart.com/art/HOW-I-PAINT-Tutorials-151973426
    http://stevedelamare.deviantart.com/art/ways-to-see-152637266 (observing)
    http://stevedelamare.deviantart.com/art/research-for-Metropolis-167655737 (research)

    Various Painting Techniques
    Julie Dillon's quick painting method
    http://juliedillon.deviantart.com/art/Mini-Painting-Tutorial-58099272

    Crystal-89's lineless painting method
    http://crystal-89.deviantart.com/art/The-Big-Colour-Tutorial-426179036
    http://crystal-89.deviantart.com/art/Rapunzel-Painting-Step-by-Step-337661416
    http://crystal-89.deviantart.com/art/Complete-Digital-Painting-and-GIMP-Tutorial-339824344

    You can always use google and deviantart to find many many more tutorials. There are thousands out there.

    Resources
    http://artbypapercut.com/ (free great guides from a large group of game professionals, 2D and 3D)
    http://cgtextures.com/ (textures database)
  3. Dysp

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    I always thought of doing something like this though I doubt I have the skills to attempt such things. 2nd thought wish I had the money to get a tablet lol

    I would like to see more I wonder how much activity the thread will get.
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    This ought to be stickied. Thanks for making a thread on this stuff.

    I haven't read the whole thing but I'll get around to it for sure. Hopefully this can be expanded upon through the input of other people. Glad to see something like this pop up, although from the looks of it I might've inadvertently had a hand in its creation. XD

    How might I go about requesting a sticky for this?
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    Anything I can do to help out just holler. Very good idea for a thread.
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    Dysp Cupcake-About-Town

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    Just wanted to give an update.. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly this thread would/should accomplish and am writing the other bits for the intro/first-post.
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    I think it would be a good idea to include some tutorials/step-by-step progress pictures so people who are still beginners with digital art can get a better idea of how pictures are born and what methods are used.
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    I can lend a hand on the questions a novice might ask since I AM one. XD

    For example, some of the samples you linked in the OP had an impressive array of coloring to produce all sorts of effects. Some have even caused a specific item to appear to glow, which is suitable for things such as light, fire, and lightning as examples.

    It may be a bit more advanced from what a novice d-artist (digital artist) might need to know but it's a curiosity of mine in particular.
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    Added some sites and a few videos I recently came across to the second post.
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    Great thread Dysp! While I am not a 2D artist I am a 3D one. I do however have some resources for those interested in figure drawing and anatomy study/reference.

    Bodies in Motion Gallery
    http://www.scott-eaton.com/category/bodies-in-motion These are some amazing in action shots that give a great sense of balance and muscle. This are safe for work!

    *Edit: Removed figure drawing link that was not PG.



    Another thing that I learned in school that was extremely useful to me when it came to 2D art was sometime straying away from starting with lines and line art and instead thinking about the mass of the forms and the light and shadows cast. The world is not outlines and in alot of cases neither should your art be. I found it amazing the difference it made in my work to approach the pieces from a volume/mass and lighting approach.
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    Thank you. Those are great references, but since this is a ~PG-13 rated website, I don't want to link to the fully nude site. If people want to pursue anatomy further, I think we should probably let them do that on their own or from a different network. I did add the Scott Eaton link however.

    Edit: I'm now questioning whether or not I should even have the embedded links to the figure drawing section. It's an important part for drawing, but still.

    Edit#2: Sorry I bypassed the bottom section of your post. I agree, it's important to understand mass, because contour can change dramatically and, as you said, we aren't made of contours. I'm still working on how to provide info on this without making the posts a sea of text.
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    I think the key focus to this style of painting is Light and Shadow. Though I agree that it is a tough subject to nail down to a short post haha
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    A PANDA SNEEZED
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    Ha. I forgot that I even put that in there. :p
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    This thread hasn't seen too much activity lately. D: Unfortunately I can't help much with that since school is WTFBBQPWNing me.

    However, I got a Cintiq for Christmas and I tried it last night for the first time BUT I realized that I had no idea how to use the software it comes with or if those programs are even the best places to start digital art making. :p

    In short? This thread will become very useful to me now that I have the tablet to get me started. :)
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    Awesome, have fun drawing on a wicked Cintiq. :p Usually Wacom stuff comes with Photoshop Essentials and a Corel trial, from what I've seen. Photoshop Essentials works quite similarly to the full version of Photoshop, but I don't remember what's exactly different. I don't believe you can make custom brushes or textures if I remember correctly. I used Photoshop Essentials for several years when I first started. The difference really wasn't big at all. It seemed like the more advanced features were missing, so it was fine for me when starting out. Essentials used to count as an upgradeable version to the full PS client, but I'm not sure how that works now with their monthly pay system.

    There are quite a few solid painting programs out there, and I wouldn't get too caught up with which version to use. Most can do everything you honestly need to paint with. The more advanced programs simply have added features for ease of use and manipulating.

    I thought I added the software section to this post, but I guess I never did. : /

    Gimp is a solid free option http://www.gimp.org/

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    I've had stuff written that I've wanted to add to this thread, but I still need to rewrite and edit it. So I may add more content later.. soonish.
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