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Type of players that annoy you.

Discussion in 'WildStar General' started by Stich, Jan 26, 2014.

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what kind of player annoys you?

  1. Those that insist they are a SOLO que player, yet sign up for GROUP content

    25 vote(s)
    16.0%
  2. People who refuse to accept, advice and think that they are 'l337'

    89 vote(s)
    57.1%
  3. chat spammers (this includes WTS, WTT, WTB LF guild)

    60 vote(s)
    38.5%
  4. non responsive players in both pvp and pve

    61 vote(s)
    39.1%
  5. new players, or slow learning players

    13 vote(s)
    8.3%
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  1. D3athcr33ps

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    Wildstar fans have a bad habit of using the "WoW killer" comments. It seems there is a small minority of people that refuse to play a game that doesn't have a huge fanbase. If a game is fun like EVE then people will continue to play it even though it has a smaller cult following. I know a lot of people that are hoping that the game will be super popular, but it shouldn't matter.
  2. MrDreadful

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    I can't believe you even said that, man. You totally killed my wow. (also, yeah, you're right!)
  3. gabers1

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    This statement confuses me as it almost appears that you are suggesting that those that want rare or higher tiered pve gear to drop in 40 man are all elitist? The part that perplexes me most is the segment where you suggest that anyone that doesn’t raid 40 man is ‘stuck’ with blues? I think 40 man raids will be a choice every person playing this game is free to make and no one is ‘stuck’ with anything. You can choose to settle for blues (your example) or work toward the gear in 40 man by doing 40 man- choice is yours.



    Purely your choice so if there is a higher level gear item that drops in 40 mans, please do not focus your bias or envy toward those that make a different choice than you to raid 40 man to earn that gear



    And by catering you mean higher tier or rare or exceptionally nice gear dropping in 40 man raids because you choose not to do 40 man raids? Imo, your mindset appears to be best suited to your current game (Wow) but I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

    In another thread when someone was complaining about crafters charging what they perceived as high rates for an item, you responded with a comment that I was in agreement with. The comment was:



    I would like to suggest to you that if a player acquires a higher tier or exceptional or rare piece of gear in a 40 man raid by taking the time and skill to earn it, you did not. If you want a higher tier piece of gear or one of a kind item, go ahead and earn it for yourself.
  4. DemosthenesHPW

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    Ask the WoW devs? They clearly realized that, no, for a great many people, not having access to pieces with that special color was disheartening to them. I actually think BC and WotLK WoW gave a great example of how to do this. Have different colors/better stats to denote who had done what. Have highly visible rewards like Titles, special mounts, etc... Or if they include something like Transmog in Wildstar, have special armor designs for those who have done those super badass things. I like the idea of rewarding those players who do the super badass thing, I still, even not raiding now in WoW, have my rusted and plagued protodrakes from WotLK, which was a lot of friggin' effort to pull off... well not so much plauged, other than the immortal achievement. And those do give me some sense of accomplishment still... but I still dislike the sentiment that "Anyone who isn't as badass as me should have nothing." It strikes me as a fairly self-center, callous attitude towards those who have goals different from their own. Maybe that's just me.
  5. DemosthenesHPW

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    Read again, I have no problem with people who want higher tiered raid gear... I have a problem with people who act as though anyone who isn't as badass as they are should have nothing.
  6. gabers1

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    Anyone reading gets the gist of your post. You were not suggesting players getting nothing with the blue reference, you were suggesting players getting something less.
  7. Felion

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    What you're describing there is basically, capitalism. People wants to see their effort being paid off, especially when there are others in the same path doing similar things whose effort and/or talent can be somewhat directly compared against. Peer competition is a major driving force behind all human civilizations. Yes, self-centered, that's the whole point. Without this self-centered attitude, it's safe to say we wouldn't have nearly as rich and complex of a society (if there's a society at all) as we have today.

    Now there's a degree to things, there's a balance, and that's how we achieve the complexity. There's the competition and there's compassion, they clash and reform and give us this rich environment. I wouldn't describe something as fundamental as competitiveness as something negative, denying "Self" is just as disastrous as denying "Others" in terms of social consequences.

    But competition is the most fierce and apparent when everyone is indeed on the same path --- if they're not, it is eased a lot. An exclusive raider doesn't feel better or worse than an exclusive pvper, an exclusive roleplayer doesn't compare himself against a completionist. But dungeons/raids is end game PvE content, it's in the same path, so of course there will be tiers and competition. A puzzle jumper (explorer) or a base builder (settler) is not going to be nearly as concerned. If an explorer who doesn't do dungeon or raids at all feel like he is ENTITLED to whatever the raiders get, that's way too socialist for most people --- Some can stay motivated even in that situation, but most can't. Instead, top explorer can get his exclusive explorer rewards, and top raider gets his top raiding rewards, there's much more incentives that way while retaining equality and variety.

    Let me try to decipher the problem: You mentioned WoW in WotLK days, but remember 10 man and 25 man not only have color differences, they have stats difference too. Not too big, but big enough for raiders who want to maximize their dps. So you're saying you would be OK as long as the difference is not HUGE, but you agree that it could reward players with better gears. That comes back to the whole "degree" thing I was talking about, and whenever it's about the "degree" of things, that means the fundamental principals have merits and are not inherently negative.

    Personally, I'd be happy with titles/mounts/cosmetic rewards. But remember using your "everyone should get cool stuff regardless of what they do" argument, even cosmetic rewards can "make many people feel bad" because they can't have them without doing the content. I mentioned blue gear, you see, that's the thing --- Of course when the difference gets big enough between the top tier and the bottom, it creates social problems --- we see that in the French revolution and wealth gap problems in the US. But the act of rewarding according to effort is undeniably one of the best ways to motivate people. Hence, though I don't really care what exactly is given for raiders, I think they should be rewarded something that is otherwise unattainable.

    The thing is, when you say "elitist attitude" as "wanting something that others don't have" and "wanting to be better than the rest in some form", that's just... So fundamental to societies and cultures, without it everything will crumble. It can be moderated and balanced to avoid escalating any problems, but condemning ourselves at the core for who we are out of no reason other than a small part of targeted moral education is silly.
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  8. Taher

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    Beta key beggars are the ones that annoy me. But on a relative note, ganking campers and those that don't communicate in raids, dungeons, battlegrounds, etc. Sure, I understand that some don't understand the English language, but why roll on an English-speaking Server if you can't speak the language itself? Of course, you can counter this argument with the fact that the population on English-speaking Servers are higher than others, but it still ticks me off when I try my hardest to complete a group-based task with a win only to find that half my group aren't responding.
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  9. DemosthenesHPW

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    Having just quite SWTOR on the the capital of the Republic... this is NOT well explained. You choose a class, complete a quest and there's something in your bag that wasn't there before. There is no "open up your starter kit to get all the tools you're missing now that we've unlocked new equipment slots". I figured it out because I had my inventory open while completing that to sort stuff into what I was vendoring... but it wasn't well explained either.
  10. King Radinov

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    I was just looking at the poll and I sincerely hope that people aren't truly annoyed by "new" players. That wouldn't exactly be very conducive to a new game at all. Why is that even a choice? Also, while I suppose there is a line to be crossed when "spamming" in chat that you want to sell, trade, or whatever you have to also keep in mind that people are usually logging on and off all day long. Even a minute or two later you could have people signing in, coming back to town, just starting to pay attention and so on. There are people who take it to the extreme but most aren't really that bad.
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  11. spihler

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    Searching on google is better than asking players ?
    Fortunately there are many nice and social players in MMO games who are not elitists like you.
    I am glad to get respones by chat and to be able to help by chat and get a happy "thank you" back.

    I think there is no one particularly annoying but only bad game mechanics that allow or even enforce bad behavior (like shared loot or stolen activation of things while I am in combat).
  12. Stich

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    this part made me laugh. Im not an elitist, but maybe glancing to my chat bar, and seeing i received. "marauder's starter kit" being added to my inventory is considered, elite skill
  13. Stich

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    how is it not well explained? it says it in bold neon yellow letters in your chat bar, that witch ever class you picked's starter kit was added to your inventory
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    "How do you defeat Darth Skotia?" That question...oh that question...
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    This is not elite skill.
    But your attitude is "elitist" or worse.
    You do not only ignore these questions but you feel actually annoyed by people who ask for help for what you consider stupid.
    Have you never made something that you call stupid ? Maybe you do not forgive yourself either.
    And how much gaming experience do you have ? Imagine someone who plays its first WoW like MMO or even its first game.
  16. Stich

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    a year's worth of GW 1 (played from release but i didnt have a clue about mmo's i was 12 at the time)

    few years later i played city of heroes before it went f2p. then couople years later i played WoW for a few months. and played swtor from closed beta till novenberish last year.

    im sorry of my attitude seemed to be elitist but i assure you new players, looking for help dont bother me, but when something so bluntly obvious is questioned you just gotta face palm.

    on the fleet people picking their classes always ask witch AC to pick and i always go blah blah blah for faster GF que pops and always recomend that they try tanking or healing dont just assume a single role, when leveleing
  17. gabers1

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    I have to chime in and I must start by stating I am not an elitist.

    I go out of my way to help new players or someone struggling whenever I meet up with them in a dungeon or pvp as I never know the real life situation of that player (new player, very young kid, someone with a learning disability, someone that had a recent traumatic head injury trying to get back into the game, an older non-gamer trying to play….) I demonstrate patience and stay with a player struggling with skill or low gear when others have left. I try to provide friendly helpful advice and will do this via private whisper rather than party chat if possible. I sometimes offer ongoing help after the dungeon or pvp run if the person is polite and seems to have a legitimate struggle. I vote no on kicking a new or struggling team mate when others have initiated votes to kick. However………

    If I see someone repeatedly asking basic questions in zone chat that can be readily found, I often will ask one back- ‘where have you researched this?’ So many players put zero time and effort into research on class/gear/skills/dungeons and expect (and sometimes demand) others provide answers for all their questions when they are fully capable of finding the answers on their own. I do not like to enable players like this and promote this type of behavior by providing answer after answer to basic questions as it is not helping to build a better player, it is creating a parasite.

    I think everyone should show patience with a player that appears to be struggling with gear or skill when that player is polite but I think part of the path should be to enable that player to progress on his/her own with suggestions to forums, links, and areas to obtain more information to better themselves.
  18. spihler

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    @Stich, gabers1

    Many players take the easy and social route first.
    Especially those with only little skill and experience for searching and understanding by themselves.
    Why not dealing with competent real humans and potential friends instead of google and outdated guides ?

    I have never encountered annoying people except those that steal loot, mobs or activatable things; which are shortcomings of the game mechanics though.
    But then again, I play only rarely on average because I have not found the right MMORPG yet.
    Furthermore, as I do not check the chat all the time:
    - I might miss annoying questions.
    - I might miss that note about advanced class gear in SWTOR too.
  19. gabers1

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    All the more reason to guide these players on a path to being self-sufficient. Spoon-feeding has led to an overpopulation of zombies that wander around babbling their limited vocabulary of gimmy, gimmy, gimmy.

    As previously stated, I am not an elitist, I just refuse to promote in-game bad habits by constant hand-holding of those players that simply refuse to lift a finger themselves (different than a legit question due to true lack of understanding or inability to find answer). I will entertain any question that starts out 'I could not find this answer anywhere' and questions that are not easily accessible in-game or with a simple stroke of a few keys (will guide them to the area) but otherwise I like to encourage self-sufficient player progress.

    "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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    I agree.

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