Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but if you're saying you're not interested in fights or loot, maybe join a hardcore guild capable of weekly clears, then ask for a tour of the empty raid on their lockout? There's always someone friendly willing to group up so you can run in there and do your thing. Big raid guilds like keeping a casual roster for flavor and doing things outside of raiding. This is a good way to guarantee having a guild group for dungeons and pvp, and these players are the ones they grab when they start trying to fill out their alt raids. Alternately, there are always big guilds who like to make some repair coin selling spots to raid to people outside their guild once they're sure they can kill a boss with a couple people down, (Or who are capable of pulling their own weight. You mentioned being a decent player) so you may want to farm up some gold during your available play time and approach the officers of the best guild on your server and see if they have an open spot. You may even get in for free with that approach since things come up and people sign out, and get yourself a bench spot for nights you're available. Even big guilds have a few high turnover spots that require keeping a full bench ready, if you don't mind not having a regular spot every raid night. Don't let the hardcore label of the game and the attitudes of the people staunchly defending it scare you off. The devs are aiming this game right at that demographic, and some of the things you're saying sound close to what drove them out of other games, and its a little scary to see that kind of talk coming before this game has even launched. BUT, if you're saying what I think you're saying, and you like the look of the game and are interested in everything else, give it a shot. If you're a solid player who just happens to have casual playing times, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to see the inside of the raid at some point. Signed, The recruitment officer of a progression guild.