No one with 10 brain cells functioning uses WoW as a yardstick. I have never seen someone claim that if you don't have 8+ million subs for nearly a decade the game is a failure. Why do people make this stupid red herring? I have met no one who has ever thought their opinion was a fact. Archeage tanked in Korea. Westerners don't like asian MMOs, so if it cant do good there, no chance here. EQNext won't release any earlier than 2015. Not even a photo released. Its not coming out anytime soon! TESO and FF are fad games. Most will dump it in 2 months. I stick by this, fad games. TESO isn't even an MMO, their own devs rip on it and call it a single player game. FF tanked in like a month last time... Now I am supposed to believe its not a joke? WoW players current and past are tired of the game. Its gotten old. Tons of WoW players are bored with the game, but there isn't anything better. I know lots of people who quit every time a new MMO comes out, and then come back when it flops. The market is pretty open for WS. All they have to do is release a quality product! So yah, instead of red herrings why not try to refute my claims?