1. No I don't see that, prove it please. I'm tired of doing one-sided reasoning and meeting only aggressive replies that provides nothing but "I don't know why or how but you're wrong and I'm right and by the way you suck". 2. I say that because I've been doing research in this area for 10 years and I hold a PhD in it. Definition of "communication" on every dictionary? I'll do better, here's the page of communication models ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_of_communication ), it is also a widely accepted theory that finds application in both computer science/engineering, namely information theory which gave rise to communication theory in the first place, as well as signal processing, both of which you can look up quickly on wikipedia. Of course, it reaches into psychology, neuroscience, biology in general and even sociology. We do research. We determine what those ladies and gentlemen over at Oxford put on the dictionary many years from now. Dictionary is not going to help your cause much but you're welcome to try. If you want to counter this definition for communication, please point to a source instead of saying "you're wrong" and making snark comment that provides no information other than hostility over and over again. If any of what I'm saying does not make sense, please point out why. And if you have a better explanation that can represent these concepts, please tell me. Simply saying "you're wrong" is sadly, not something I can work with, for that matter I don't think anyone on earth could. 3. No, did you miss the many places that I kept emphasizing the difference between subjective and objective statements, how it often happens when people (like you) pass off subjective opinions with an illusion of objective statement, and how doing so means that it's not pure communication but have other motives at play? Not saying that you did so intentionally, but people do all kinds of things unintentionally. Bullies don't want others to get hurt as an end to itself, they just want to have fun and hurting others is a mean to that end. Notice how many snarky remarks you had in your posts? It tells me something about you, but it probably isn't something you'd like to have me receive, so sadly that isn't communication, we don't have an agreement. I was saying, stating your observations without attempt to reach any common ground from others means that communication isn't your goal, but you can certainly have goals other than communication. It could be asserting dominance and hence amplifying your own sense of security, it could be attempting to influence others' views through adaptation to ensure your own benefits, etc. It's fine, everyone does it to some degree, whatever happens happens for a reason and it's all good, but GIVEN a criteria, for example "maintaining harmony" or "enable communication", then there is a "better appraoch" and a "worse approach". No, I'm not saying you SHOULD do something, I'm saying you should do something IF you attempt to do A, and you may or may not want to do A. I'm trying to explain the reasons and motivations behind your behaviour, and use the results as critical information to determine what to do with you. In the process, I filtered out the noise in your arguments as best as I could (and there is a LOT of noise, and not in my wordy/lengthy way) as well as the short circuits (contradictions), but that was intended to shock you into re-evaluation and hence sync with me in terms of understanding. In turn, your replies, while very noisy, prompt me to again and again try to explain myself better. I'm sorry but it didn't hold much else. I know you're not reading or getting much of this, this is intended for whoever else is reading. Because unlike what you've been suggesting, I do care about how others receive my information output. I want my intention to get across accurately to the other side, which in this case is everyone who potentially reads it. Finally, yeah I said I wouldn't reply back, funny how you noticed this but missed everything else. And I admit --- I meant it when I said it, but I wasn't able to control myself because I saw an opportunity to reach an agreement with you and I jumped at it. See, admitting to a problem isn't hard, and the solution is easy too --- I'll just be more careful before making promises like those ones, knowing my own impulses and weaknesses. Desperate? Oh yes. See that's the difference that you never seemed to get even though I've typed up walls on it --- I whole heartedly feel that it's a good thing to be desperate about what you really care about and try very hard to achieve it even if only a small spark of hope existed. You instead, think it's something that's worthy of redicule. I've past that age of blind pride/shaming years ago buddy. My last reply was basically trying to compromise, ignoring all the differences and all your snark remarks, only commenting on the common agreement, to try to reach an understanding with you. Notice how the tone was rather soft and I kept on saying things like "we've reached agreement"? Well apparently not. Your post is one compilation of baseless insults after another. I mean do you really think saying "so desperate that it's sad" is going to do anything other than perhaps making yourself feel more confident about what you're saying? You surely aren't hoping to convince me by adding that snark remark, and I do think you know better than expecting me to be "scared down" by your hostile attitude (if that's the case, I wouldn't even reply to your very first post). If you're hoping that others who come upon this post saw that line and think "wow this guy is so right because he sounds mean and so very sure of himself" and therefore maintain your tough guy image, I truly think you're underestimating WSC people's intelligence --- and underestimating people's intelligence can backfire, because people would feel insulted, much like in my case when I first replied to your hostile post. Just saying. You're unlikely to change, but I feel I should warn you anyways, it's an obligation to myself. Keep it going if you'd like to, I'd keep replying too, and soon enough the mods would close down the thread and/or ban one or both of us. I know better now than to make promises of not replying again, see I've learned my lesson quickly, I lack control in that department so might as well face reality.